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Post by bluedog on Apr 3, 2011 12:51:50 GMT -6
I certainly understand that........
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Post by Clifford on Apr 3, 2011 14:50:22 GMT -6
The dogs are definitely tougher than the typical owner!
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Post by camo on Apr 3, 2011 20:11:34 GMT -6
Hog dogs just spend more of there time in the danger zone . But I would rather them get killed working in the woods than die of obesity laying on the couch watching soap opera's !! I would prefer to place all my dogs in hog homes . Nature has a way of culling the weak as it was meant to be !
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Post by bkeepr on Apr 4, 2011 7:52:23 GMT -6
Well here is a question: what if your puppy buyer/ hog dogger intends to use his Lacy puppy to cross with other dogs, say pits or bird dogs? Do you still sell the pup?
I agree that Lacys should only be sold to working homes. Also, if the dog is left without a job for part of the year, find them something else to do during that time! Keep that active little mind engaged and the body tired out every day.
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Post by Clifford on Apr 4, 2011 12:48:09 GMT -6
Let's stick to the more positive side of this... I will never intentionally sell a pup to anyone who intends to outcross with another breed... I like Lacys, not mutts! Where they are registered is the owners choice, as I see it too!
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Post by bluedog on Apr 4, 2011 18:36:35 GMT -6
Camo, Ive heard that Texas has pretty strict laws about animal ownership, heck maybe the whole country. I was always under the impression that when you bought an animal it was yours to do as you please. Ive heard of as part of the sale an owner would be given the rights to either receive a pup from that pups first breeding or you would take the pup back to the original owner to breed once with their stock but have never heard of the original owner maintaining breeding rights indefinitely.
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Post by camo on Apr 4, 2011 19:54:54 GMT -6
Hey I will PM you I got off topic when I we got off topic about hog hunting . To the topic of selling a pup to some one who would mix breeds . I am easly mis led . LOL
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Post by Clifford on Apr 4, 2011 19:58:01 GMT -6
I believe that some breeders place pups with friends, and then retain some interest in the dog. Other than that, a sale is a sale in my opinion, and once ownership is transfered it should be the new owner's dog to do with it what they please...
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Post by camo on Apr 4, 2011 20:17:31 GMT -6
Sorry Clifford I did not mean to make this go off topic my friend !
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Post by podunkheaven on Apr 6, 2011 14:44:08 GMT -6
" I recently had my attorney review a contract I signed on a pup and he basically told me that putting breeding rights and registration rights in your contract is a waste of time it is a good deterrent but will not hold up in court a of law. He said if the contract is violated that proving it in court that it was intentional breeding is very difficult and in most cases it a waste of time and money when it comes to retaining breeding rights.
John:
This is my perception when I ask a potential Lacy owner to sign a contract The contract is between two people who have an interest and/or direction for the dog and the breeders lines. The reason for the contract is to assure that the buyer understands and agrees with those ethics and directions the breeder outlines for the good of the breed and their lines. If the potential owner signs the contract them they are stating that they agree to abide by the ethics and practises of the breeder." I truly hope I never have to use the contract to support legal action.
I agree to some extent that you can't specifically pin point breeding right or registration rights in a contract if it does escalate to a suit and make those specific thing be the basis of the suite. However, in the state of Texas most attorneys would take a stand on breach of contract (which is what our Attorney said he would base his case on) instead of specific items in the contract and the dog would be awarded back to the breeder. Two years ago James and I were involved in just such a case....and lost. Even though the snake in the grass we signed the contract with was a con man, he won because we signed a contract and were in breach. This man didn't even fully fulfill the contract. It just depends on who is representing you and how connected they are.
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Post by Clifford on Apr 6, 2011 18:52:22 GMT -6
The legal system is all about who you know, and who they know!
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Post by hitsoutdoors on Aug 7, 2011 10:10:35 GMT -6
I enjoyed reading this thread.. I may be of a simple line of thinking because Im an old school type of guy. But here is my take... The life we live is full of DANGEROUS jobs. Our sons, daughters, wives , husbands and friends often times have dangerous jobs where they can be injured or killed in their line of duty. Often times these occupations carry down through many generations of familys and these people wouldnt have it any other way. Thats the thread they are woven from. Everyone prays their training , the experience of generations past as well as their instincts keep them safe..Most of us think of our dogs as part of our familys and love them as such. The cold reality is some of them are cut from that same cloth and they are equipped and driven to do dangerous job. Everyone knows these dogs wouldnt have it any other way. So we give them the best training we can and pray that training and their instincts keep them safe as well. Unfortunately we dont live in a fairy tale world where none of our beloved soldiers, policemen, miners, pilots ,fireman, Lacys etc, etc lose their lives doing their DANGEROUS jobs.
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Post by camo on Aug 7, 2011 18:26:11 GMT -6
Well said !!
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Post by bkeepr on Aug 7, 2011 22:46:29 GMT -6
From what I have read in other forums, the hard core hog doggers are always trying to make the perfect hog dog and cross pointers with pits, curs with pits, etc. etc. So I would assume if a hog dogger bought a pup from me, he would cross it with something else and since it is his dog that is his right to do so.
My dogs have siblings that hunt hogs, some of those siblings are already dead from it. I have invested too much money in herding training for my dogs to see them get killed hunting wild hogs, plus we have bonded and they are family to me. But I would be happy to see them in a controlled environment like a bay pen. I think a hog knocking the snot out of them would be a good lesson, especially since hogs are spreading in Georgia and we may encounter some while squirrel hunting or blood tracking.
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Post by Clifford on Aug 8, 2011 5:48:02 GMT -6
Good point Bkeepr.... A dog that has never seen a hog, or a snake, might let curiosity get it in trouble. Exposing them to things, and letting them learn in a safer environment than the woods is a good idea.
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