marloriley
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Post by marloriley on Sept 9, 2009 23:47:45 GMT -6
Mike, I got the message weeks ago, but you didn't leave a message to call back. I did get the name of the place. Thank you.
I have been hunting with Seth and Mel both. I would trust my dogs to get the best care if they had my dogs on a hunt without me. Heck they take my kids hog hunting and they bring them back a little tired by well taken care of. Seth has a great emergency kit, but he doesn't let it replace Vet. care.
This is not to say one person does and one person doesn't. It is to say that, Vet. care is needed and part of the hunting dog owners expenditures for ethical dog hunters. This is one of the best points Melanie has made in my opinion.
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Post by melaniet on Sept 10, 2009 10:02:09 GMT -6
Whats interesting to me is that on 3 different forum threads they say something different happened. So which is it? I dont believe anything that comes out of a hog hunters mouth anymore. Especially hunters who treat their dogs as disposable tools.
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Post by rebeccaferrell on Sept 10, 2009 10:26:29 GMT -6
I was told, after seveeral PM's back and forth with you know who that this dog was taken to the vet and did receive antibiotics AND that they knew from the get go that he was going to lose his leg. It was a matter of whether he lost it at the shoulder or lower down.....now all of this was conveyed to me a day after I posted my original comment on this thread. My comment was the result of my disgust from the thread over on that forum which did not mention any details. And didn't say anything about the dog dying until someone asked how he was doing. I never posted anything on their public forum.
Of course you never know what really happened or how you yourself would have handled that situation but I think I can safely say that I would have had the leg amputated immediately instead of the dog suffering and ultimately becoming septic or have him put to sleep immediately if the wound was too severe. Melanie made a good point about how did he became septic if he was already on antibiotics?? Oh, and he was not kept at the vet instead he was in a pen next to the house with the other injured dog and they got in a fight prior to him dying. My dog would have been at the vet or kenneled inside the house.
I was banned from their forum which is no big loss in my eyes and so I have no idea where further this topic has gone on their forum. I did find a thread on ETHD about it..some of them sounded half retarded.
Rebecca aka Elvira.
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Post by melaniet on Sept 10, 2009 10:39:25 GMT -6
I understand that dogs will die in the woods. Its part of the danger. But when a dog has a chance to be saved. Save it, or put it down. I dont care what the excuses are. If my vet sent my dog home and didnt properly give me the tools needed to save it, I would sue. But hey I love my dogs.
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Post by bluedog on Sept 10, 2009 16:46:20 GMT -6
This whole situation is a shame. It has however spurred alot of discussion. That is a good thing.
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Post by CNToo on Sept 10, 2009 19:13:02 GMT -6
This situation is a shame, because the dog that had the accident could have been saved with intravenous antibotics and fluids. Any person that has any experience with dog injuries knows this. You do not have to be a hog hunter to have a seriously injured dog. All of us that questioned the medical care of this animal has in some way experienced a serious injury to an animal we love, pet or hog dog or blood tracker, or whatever. Due to the concern of an animal, we were talked about because we did not agree with the care of the animal. Any person is their right mind would not agree with the care of this animal. The dog suffered up until his demise. What a shame. This is more tragic that the accident it self. If he lost his leg, so what. He should be loved as his is, doing the service he did for his masters. Apparently he wasn't thought well enough of to recieve overnight vet care.
And that is it in a nutshell. It's has nothing to do with hog hunting !!!! Why did this animal not recieve the right medical care for his serious injury?
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Post by Clifford on Sept 10, 2009 19:51:58 GMT -6
This whole episode, which has now spawned an unbelievable series of events, was precipitated by someone posting incomplete information, and then several others conducting what appears to many to be a huge cover up, designed to absolve negligent behavior.
Bluedog pointed out the volume of posts concerning this one topic, which has flowed into quite a few talk forums now. But, the reality is that this has focused a great deal of people on a very small group, and brought tons of negative publicity to them, when they are seeking a prominent place in the dog world. The behavior of that few has caused a lot of damage. And, they seem to think that by talking bad about anyone who does not agree with them, that makes them look better. You would think that they would have found out that was wrong many years back.
They are just a bunch of misfits who have formed a self love group, misguided and blindly following the lead of someone who grabbed power, but whose tactics will only lead then down the road to destruction. I think we honestly, are giving them more attention than they deserve.
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Post by melaniet on Sept 15, 2009 9:33:14 GMT -6
Clifford, I couldn't agree with you more. In my humble opinion, if you own a dog for any type of hunting, they should be a pet first and a worker second. That being said, when you take it hunting, you are the one putting that animal in harms way, not the other way around. My dogs love to hunt. I mean LOVE IT. I don't deny them that right. However, when they are sick or hurt, they don't go, and they get babied like no other dog. I swear I think hub gets himself cut on purpose because he knows he gets to sleep on the couch.
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Post by bluedog on Sept 15, 2009 16:43:07 GMT -6
Did you say he cuts himself on purpose inorder to sleep on the couch..........
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Post by bkeepr on Mar 8, 2010 18:51:24 GMT -6
I have stalk hunted hogs...they detected me and took off. I have hunted hogs from a tree stand. Missed a bigun along with about 7 other people, it sounded like a civil war re-enactment and the hog never swerved off of his path. He got away clean, too. The best place for me when hog hunting is in a tree. The best place for my dog is in a truck! Some guy in Georgia is now offering hog hunts using some high tech heat sensing scopes. You hunt in the dead of night. I would like to do that if I ever win the lottery. Hogs are now invading some of my most favorite public hunting lands, in one case planted there deliberately. So I guess I won't take Pearl squirrel hunting there because I don't want her jumping a hog.
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Post by Clifford on Feb 1, 2011 6:32:33 GMT -6
OK, weighing in almost two years after I started this thread... I now have a good friend here in MS that not only hog hunts, but uses Lacys... I also have had my dogs in bay pens, with some very large, and very rank, boars so I can make additional comments.
From personal observation, putting more than two dogs on a hog causes increased fighting, and vastly raises the chance that a hog will injure a dog, because instead of just being bayed, he is going to be harra$$ed to the point where he gets much more aggressive. There is also a big difference in terrain between MS and TX, and I suspect that there is no absolute answer to what works best in every place.
I am not against using Lacys on hogs, and never have been... And, in the past two years, I haven't heard of one Lacy being killed during a hog hunt in MS, in spite of the fact that the dogs being run here do not wear much protective gear. The thinking behind that is the same as what was written further back in this thread. Loading a dog up with gear both overheats them, and hinders the movement they need to survive when baying a hog in the wild. Adding more dogs to the pack also increases the chances that a dog will get in a tight spot, which will allow to hog to get to it...
Hog hunters in MS usually drop their dogs on fresh hog sign, and do not just turn out a pack and start rolling thorough the brush. This doesn't require a lot of noses searching for something to run. The catch dog, usually a Pit Bull, unfortunately is still the most likely dog to get injured, or killed, because of the job it is there to do. Hog hunting, as I see it now, has a lot of hype attached, mostly because the few who practice it do it out of sight of their critics, and they like to make it sound rougher than it really is. That keeps others from trying it, which makes them very satisfied.
For a different perspective, I suggest you go with them to see how it really works, before pa$$ing judgement. And remember, girls do this!
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Post by cajunhuntin on Feb 1, 2011 15:51:14 GMT -6
Clifford, I couldn't agree with you more. In my humble opinion, if you own a dog for any type of hunting, they should be a pet first and a worker second. That being said, when you take it hunting, you are the one putting that animal in harms way, not the other way around. My dogs love to hunt. I mean LOVE IT. I don't deny them that right. However, when they are sick or hurt, they don't go, and they get babied like no other dog. I swear I think hub gets himself cut on purpose because he knows he gets to sleep on the couch. I dont' agree 100% with you on this. To me it depends on what dogs you have as to weather they are pets before hunters! Because i have beagles and they are all HUNTERS not even close to being pets. I treat them as if i was their employer and they are my employees i give them full paid health care, room and board, and meals, if they perform their job duties! If they do not want to work I FIRE them! now that being said if you have dogs like Mr. Clifford that live in the house and hunt as well then you have a situation like you are explaining. But that isn't the situation with Everyone that owns hunting dogs.
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Post by Clifford on Feb 1, 2011 17:49:32 GMT -6
Cajunhuntin, you will soon learn that more folks have Lacys that are treated like mine are, than the ones that leave em out in a kennel. Or. at least, the ones who frequent these forums do!
I do not think taking a dog out to do something they are bred to do is comparable to letting them run in traffic, because these dogs are very capable of doing the job and staying out of trouble, except under certain circumstances. The problem is that many folks try to place their set of values on others, and get highly agitated when the people they are talking about do not accept their views.
Having a dog get hurt is in no way the same as causing a dog to get hurt. And, as long as you make the best possible effort to get treatment there really isn't much anyone should be able to say about it.
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Post by cajunhuntin on Feb 1, 2011 19:04:37 GMT -6
I aggree with you on that mr. clifford i just don't agree with the part that every hunting dog should be a pet first. The lacy's are different because they can be but my beagles are not smart enough to turn the hunting on and off like a lacy does. My beagles only think about hunting and thats it! They would not do well in my house as a pet at all! If i would even try to make them come in the house they would be very UNHAPPY. So to make a statement that ALL HUNTING DOGS should be PETS first to me is a very bias statement.
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Post by bluedog on Feb 1, 2011 21:30:33 GMT -6
I hear ya ...... blanket statements never really work out. I too use to field trial beagles. I was introduced to it by a man named Willard (Bill) Deason. He was LBJs roommate at college and best man at his wedding. He is the man who gave Him and Her to LBJ back in the day. Bill field trailed beagles for many many years and gave me my start. We would run the hounds all weekend long and when they got home they would simply crash, depending on the time of day either in their kennels or in the house. They were done hunting, their tails would be blood red from banging them against the tall grasses and cactus. It would usually take a couple of days of healing and then they would be ready to go at it again.
I dont know if hunting dogs or pets first or hunters first, they seem to be able to preform both task quite easily but in which order I cant say with total conviction.
The reason I mentioned Mr Deason is he had great dogs, several were finished field champions and he was a very respected man in both his professional career and in beagling. His funeral was a mixed bag of folks. There were politicians, lawyers, doctors etc and a whole host of hunters. He touched alot of lives in his 90 plus years both human and hound.
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