|
Post by Clifford on Aug 25, 2010 8:02:59 GMT -6
Dress in black, and go in at night!
|
|
|
Post by podunkheaven on Aug 25, 2010 14:25:46 GMT -6
OK let me see if I can simplify this. In our breed Blue is the most prominate color in most cases. However even though Blue is a dilute of Black it is still predispositioned dominate over red or Tri. So Red is a recessive as is Tri. If you breed two red and produce a cream that is a double recessive color because it is lighter than the two parents. Am I making more sense now? But just because you breed two reds doesn't mean you will produce double recessive. You just have a higher likelihood of producing double recessive because one or both of the parent could be carriers. To explain this further you have to get into genes and alleles and that get very complicated and confusing.
|
|
|
Post by podunkheaven on Aug 25, 2010 14:26:48 GMT -6
Rebecca just sit down and quit asking questions!!! Any minute now someone is gonna come back and call me a know it all! "L"
|
|
|
Post by rebeccaferrell on Aug 25, 2010 17:03:54 GMT -6
Oh Cynthia we are making progress. So I understand what a cream Lacy looks like (I wouldn't mind having one actually) and that this is a double dilute. I'm still digging at the answer that refuses to be found. Does anyone know what happens if you cross a tri with a red? Besides a tri with a lot of red in it? I know you've recommended not breeding Lila to a red because of the reddish tinge in her coat so would there be a high probability of a red doberman looking Lacy dog happening? And what might happen if i cross her with a blue that has red tinge? Not only is the generational road block up against us but the color combos as well. Thanks for your patience too. i'm a visual person and i just can't see those little genome letters
|
|
|
Post by podunkheaven on Aug 25, 2010 17:38:12 GMT -6
Well the tinge doesn't really mean they are carriers but that is at least a visible clue that they might be carriers. There is no MAP per say unless you do a DNA strand on both dogs. Kinda like people with blue eyes producing babies with brown eyes. The genes will fall where they may.
|
|
|
Post by podunkheaven on Aug 25, 2010 17:47:56 GMT -6
When a dog has been bred a number of times it is much easier to tell if they are homozygous for a certain color or trait. That is why I ask for like breeding pictures to see if I have a better chance of getting what I want in a breeding...but it isn't absolute it just increases my chances.
|
|
|
Post by Clifford on Aug 25, 2010 19:44:11 GMT -6
Rebecca, it's poke and hope! Go for it! First you have to get puppies, then you can see what they look like! They are all cute!
|
|
|
Post by rebeccaferrell on Aug 26, 2010 16:57:56 GMT -6
Yeah, tell that to all the breeders who can't sell their ugly pups.
|
|
|
Post by podunkheaven on Aug 26, 2010 18:11:54 GMT -6
It really isn't as hard as it seems. Just start doing research and looking at dogs about 5 or 6 months before you intend to breed. Cull the dogs you don't like, keep the one you do like. Then find out what produced that great working dog with the great structure and plan you breeding with like components. You might be surprised how you've increased your odds. You might have to drive a little but in my opinion it is worth the drive. That's what all good breeders do when they are trying to get their foundation stock producing quality. My next drive is going to be 5 hours to breed Rocci this fall.
|
|
|
Post by Clifford on Aug 26, 2010 19:02:08 GMT -6
Elvira, you sell the ugly ones as workin dogs! LOL!!!!
|
|
|
Post by rebeccaferrell on Aug 27, 2010 6:27:59 GMT -6
I'm really truly not trying to be negative here..Cynthia, what you say sounds really good in theory and obviously works for many. That being said unless a person has a photo memory and recall it is nearly impossible to figure out which breeders have which bloodlines. This is the first place that i have to start. After I get the pool of dogs/breeders narrowed down or at least some dogs that I can look at the task will not be so daunting. Not have a database of breeders, pictures of their dogs and their pedigrees makes this a daunting endeavor. I ordered a texas map and started making dots where breeders where located. You are fortunate to have only a five hr ride waiting for Rocci. There are no unrelated breeders with unrelated bloodlines outside of Texas that I can pair up with Amos or Lila. This is the same thing that I've been stumped by for two years now. So I am hoping that some undiscovered dogs will appear at the next ELF day. This lady is getting tired of searching for the answer that refuses to be found!
|
|
Stan
Walkin Talkin Poopin Machine
Posts: 85
|
Post by Stan on Aug 27, 2010 7:46:14 GMT -6
I will take this opportunity to put in another shameless plug for ELF 2011 and officially and formally invite Cynthia since generic invitations are always extended. Clifford maybe we can add a section of time for Cynthia to present the ins and outs of a successful dog breeding program.
|
|
|
Post by Clifford on Aug 27, 2010 7:56:33 GMT -6
OK, as long as we don't have any practical demonstrations... I have learned that will get you into trouble!
|
|
|
Post by Clifford on Jun 17, 2014 19:28:55 GMT -6
This was a group of Lacy owners trying to figure out genetics just a few years back. We have made a tremendous amount of progress since then! And, more breeders are getting their dogs tested now...
|
|