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Post by rebeccaferrell on Jul 27, 2010 19:11:01 GMT -6
I'd like to know what color the pups end up when you breed a red to red; Tri to red; and a
Tri to tri?
Do you degrade the acceptable colors of the Lacy? Anyone had any experience with these color combos?
I thought I'd read that if you keep breeding blue to blue that the chances of alopecia are increased. Any opinions on this?
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Post by Clifford on Jul 28, 2010 9:38:51 GMT -6
In my opinion, you get the prettiest pups when you breed a Red dog from MS to any other dog, no matter what color they are!
But, the odds are that Red to Red produces more Red than other colors.
Red to Blue should produce a mix, possibly evenly split, but with a chance for Tris.
Blue to Blue should also produce more Blues than other colors.
So, that leaves Tri to Blue, Tri to Red, and Tri to Tri.
Tri to Blue should produce lots of Blues, some Tris, and some Reds.
Tri to Red should produce lots of Reds, some Tris, and some Blues.
Tri to Tri should produce all three colors, but I cannot guess the mix!
That's all I can tell you about it, and its based on what I have seen in previous crosses, except the Tri to Tri.
The real deal is that any cross can produce any mix, so you just have to wait and see what hits the ground!
Breeding to select color should be way down on the priority list, far behind conformation, and working ability.
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Post by rebeccaferrell on Jul 28, 2010 18:35:41 GMT -6
Read my lips..i'm not breeding for color..
I understand all of the above. What I am asking...is the color of a tri changed by breeding a tri to a red or another tri. And in my opinion breeders should pay attention to color just as you would breeding to a dog that has too much white. I don't see breeders crossing dogs with a lot of white with another with a lot of white. Why is this? I'd guess that there a pretty good chance of having pups with guess what..too much white. Doesn't mean they aren't great dogs but I haven't seen any breeders hoping to get too much white. In fact, just the opposite.
So the reason I ask about the tri is because I've not seen the offspring of tri to red and tri to tri. Could you end up with a "red" doberman color? Anyone know?
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Post by Clifford on Jul 28, 2010 18:58:22 GMT -6
I think hogs aren't color blind...
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Post by bkeepr on Jul 28, 2010 19:19:34 GMT -6
Dog genetics is an interesting subject. Does the blue gene in Lacys behave the same as the blue gene in other breeds? If you cross blue to blue, do you get darker blues?
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Post by Clifford on Jul 28, 2010 22:02:06 GMT -6
Sometimes...
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Post by homerunbetty on Aug 21, 2010 0:20:49 GMT -6
Very interesting topic. Chari is blue and was bred to a blue male last year. She gave birth to four blues, two creams and one red. This year she was bred to a different blue male. She gave birth to two blues and what could be two creams and two fawn/reds, or three creams and one fawn/red. I say fawn/red because the pup(s) is not a true "red" at the moment, but time can definitely change that.
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Post by Clifford on Aug 21, 2010 7:56:59 GMT -6
The genetics of the dam play an equal role in a cross. If you look at the parent's backgrounds, you will most likely find that all of the "normal" colors show at some point.
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Post by podunkheaven on Aug 24, 2010 16:14:17 GMT -6
For what my opinion is worth...I would never breed two double recessives together because in most cases, but not all, you get a double dilution in color. And if you have ever seen a double dilute tri it isn't very pretty...they have saddle back and incomplete patterns most times.
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Post by podunkheaven on Aug 24, 2010 16:45:47 GMT -6
I will be breeding Rocci to a Tri this fall. He is a very dark blue though...and Rocci who is red has alot of blue influence in her pedigree. He has never been bred and neither has Rocci. However in similar breeding of these two lines the results has been very very nice.
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Post by Clifford on Aug 24, 2010 17:24:18 GMT -6
Can someone please post a picture of a saddle back tri? I want to see what that looks like...
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Post by podunkheaven on Aug 24, 2010 18:11:53 GMT -6
If I ever bred one I sure wouldn't tell anyone! I don't have any pictures of a saddle back but they look similar to a german shepard coat pattern
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Post by rebeccaferrell on Aug 24, 2010 18:58:15 GMT -6
How do you know if you have a double recessive? Is it a red dog from two red parents? Speak english Cynthia....I'll google it and hope I get something "sexy" out of it!!
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Post by Clifford on Aug 25, 2010 6:26:04 GMT -6
I am not sure about the dog thing, but a double recession is what happens when you let Democrats take over control of the government!
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Post by rebeccaferrell on Aug 25, 2010 7:57:54 GMT -6
I've reread some long long articles or papers on this..still confused as heck. I guess what I'm trying to get to is: examples of what a Lacy's color would be as a double dilution. I guess I'll hope over to the other forum that can not be mentioned by name and see what they have posted on this subject. I remember there being a lot of info pertinent to Lacys.
PS.. i'm not welcome over there so I'll be sneaky.. ;D
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