Scott
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Feb 2, 2011 21:50:04 GMT -6
Post by Scott on Feb 2, 2011 21:50:04 GMT -6
OK, my first question is simple. Where do I need to start ??
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Post by Clifford on Feb 3, 2011 8:10:00 GMT -6
Get something to herd... Next question?
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Scott
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Post by Scott on Feb 3, 2011 8:49:12 GMT -6
Check. next.... ;D
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Post by Clifford on Feb 3, 2011 9:15:49 GMT -6
Get proper attire:
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Scott
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Feb 3, 2011 10:09:13 GMT -6
Post by Scott on Feb 3, 2011 10:09:13 GMT -6
Check, next... ;D
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Feb 3, 2011 15:48:28 GMT -6
Post by Clifford on Feb 3, 2011 15:48:28 GMT -6
Hmmm? Got big stick?
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Stan
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Feb 3, 2011 17:37:05 GMT -6
Post by Stan on Feb 3, 2011 17:37:05 GMT -6
Why you need to herd it ain't it kind caught already...wait i forgot it is gonna run when it sees Scott in camo, boxers and rubber boots.......
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Scott
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Feb 3, 2011 17:43:50 GMT -6
Post by Scott on Feb 3, 2011 17:43:50 GMT -6
Well if I could get copper to quit licking the milk off her face maybe we could get somewhere.
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Feb 3, 2011 18:27:27 GMT -6
Post by bkeepr on Feb 3, 2011 18:27:27 GMT -6
You guys are NOT right. But that is what I like about you! Scott you can keep that little calf right there in the pen and work the dog around the outside of it. You could get some ducks and put them in a little pen too and do the same thing, ducks stay safe in pen yet respond to and move away from the dog.
It is good to have some dog-broke, knee-knocker stock to work with, that are conditioned to come to you. You can cheat by luring them with a pail of corn. Yes!!!! Cheat, cheat cheat so the dog wins!!! Get a stick and you will use that to direct and guide or block the dog. He will want to circle and go to the heads of the stock but you will use the stick to make him fetch them to you instead. Get the stock clustered and in a bunch in the middle of the pen or field. Use the stick to block or make the dog go around to the rear of the stock, you can encourage him by hissing or making a shhhh sound. As he gets to the back of the stock, you back up and rattle that pail of corn so the stock come to you. Ta-daaa!!!! Here come the stock, and the dog thinks he did it! A win/win! Your dog has just gathered the stock and fetched them to you. A light bulb will go off in his head and he will fetch them to you... chickens, ducks, cows and toddlers!
Now you can start backing up, pulling the stock with you. Use the stick to block the dog from circling around you and the stock, keep him behind them and thinking he is pushing them towards you. The dog and you will learn to balance, with you at 6 oclock and dog at 12. You can move around and the dog should re-balance off of you where ever you are, 3 oclock or whatever he will stop circling at the opposite side of the stock/clock.
That is traditional herding. Cur style of herding is the dog going around and around the stock keeping them in a tight bunch, and you walking behind pushing them where you want to go.
Look around on Youtube and search things like "started Herding dog" or beginning herding lessons. Or specific terms like gather, outrun, drive and fetch.
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Scott
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Feb 3, 2011 20:06:35 GMT -6
Post by Scott on Feb 3, 2011 20:06:35 GMT -6
Thanks, Kathy
So the cows that run at him and try to knock the gate off the hinges when he walks across the yard ain't a good place to start I guess ? I know out was one of the main commands stressed at the fun day, any other commands I need to work on before starting.
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Feb 3, 2011 23:02:25 GMT -6
Post by bkeepr on Feb 3, 2011 23:02:25 GMT -6
Wow those are some rude cows! They need to get schooled by an advanced dog that can dodge a kick and get in and bite them if they stand up to him.
You don't need directions for clockwise or counter-clockwise circling- you can just use the stick for that. You can work Copper on a leash and teach him "walk up", "steady" and "stand". Walk with him on the leash towards your stock that you are herding, and say "walk up". Hopefully he is walking at a good clip. Now slow him down and say " steady". Bring him to a complete stop and say "stand". You want him to eventually learn that he can work the stock from a distance and does not need to be right behind their tails. (where he can get kicked!)
You can also later position him to block the cattle. Say he is across the field, you can call him to you and stop him from a distance where you want him to block. Or if he gets across a road, "stand" him and then go get him when it is safe for you to cross.
I think it is Cappy Pruitt that has Australian cattle dogs and teaches his young calves to respect and move away from the dog. There was a video on it. His dogs bite on command, but they also do it by instinct; they just know the drill. Anyway, he takes his little calves and puts them in an enclosed area. Then he puts his dog in the middle in a "down". The calves eventually come up to sniff at the dog and when they do, he gives them a nip on the nose! So all the babies learn to move away from the dog.
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Feb 5, 2011 12:24:32 GMT -6
Post by bluedog on Feb 5, 2011 12:24:32 GMT -6
I could be wrong here but I think that 1 calf does not represent a herd. Not sure what the actual number is but almost bet it is not 1. I think if you put a dog on one animal wouldnt they just be going for a walk, again not sure.
Where do you purchase the clothing in Cliffords representation of a herder? For some reason German beer comes to mind. After a few of the beers not sure how much herding will get done. then again if theres only 1 calf we are back to a walk...right
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Feb 5, 2011 14:07:49 GMT -6
Post by Clifford on Feb 5, 2011 14:07:49 GMT -6
One animal, one Lacy... Sounds like a bay to me... Lederhosen always looked like they were designed to pull down or back up in a hurry, which seemed to indicate there is more to this herding business than meets the eye. The addition of a young calf, or as they say in AL... Well, maybe not... But, anyone should be able to connect the dots at this point...
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Scott
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Feb 5, 2011 18:13:00 GMT -6
Post by Scott on Feb 5, 2011 18:13:00 GMT -6
Well the calf was never really the intended animal. All copper would do is run up and lick the milk on it's face anyway. Michelle has got that calf so spoiled it walks around rubbin' on you, lol. If I put a dog on that calf I'd be divorced. If I put him on my small herd, it's gonna be like this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVzbP_oGKlUAnd that will be a disaster, cause he is a weiner. Now if I only want to move them. All I have to do is yell whooo cow and they will follow me of a cliff. I just want something to work the dog on.
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Feb 5, 2011 18:23:35 GMT -6
Post by Clifford on Feb 5, 2011 18:23:35 GMT -6
I got you the hook up! Herd these!
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