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Post by camo on Sept 4, 2011 7:36:52 GMT -6
Just saw this post we can see what the peoblem is just by the photo what a shame. I have a question what job do you have for your lacy? Who was your breeder and did you tell your breeder you were buying a pet ? If you told them you were buying a pet then they mis lead you and more than likely lied to you. This kind of crap and breeders are the people giving Lacy dogs a bad reputation . I think someone should start a list and find out what breeders are doing this so we can warn people of the puppy mills that are selling to just anyone for a dollar .JMO
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Post by podunkheaven on Sept 4, 2011 13:59:40 GMT -6
Now John you don't know that!!! Not everyone who sells a blue lacy is always aware or can control what goes on after the puppy has left the breeder. And don't even get me started on how much some of these dogs are getting sold for. I talked with a man yesterday that has no control over his young lacy because of other influences in his home. All his family is not on the right page so the dog is confused. He ask if I would work with them to resolve the problem. He isn't a pet home and he is an avid hunter. There are many different circumstances that influence what causes problems with dogs and people.
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Post by camo on Sept 4, 2011 16:35:49 GMT -6
Thats exactly why I am questioning the owner. I would like to know what she was told or what she said that allowed her to get her hands on this dog . If she did tell them it was just a pet. I would like to know who sold it to her . Until people start asking the hard question this will continue to go on . It is gone on long enough and no one ever wants to ask . It is easier to not ask and sweep it under the rug . I do not at all question what has happened to the dog after it left the breeder. So what is the story ? As far as price that people are getting it is outragous .
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Post by podunkheaven on Sept 4, 2011 18:05:14 GMT -6
John you will never be able to stop people from breeding and selling dogs to the wrong people. The only ethical thing that can be done for the dog after the fact is help the dog if we can. We can complain and call folks out by name but it still doesn't help the dog. Call their name today...people forget tomorrow.
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Post by Clifford on Sept 4, 2011 19:44:03 GMT -6
Price has nothing to do with this... If the buyer thinks it is fair, and the seller has not misrepresented the dog, then it is no one else's business how much it sold for!
But, if the breeder is not willing to step up, and try to help when there is a problem, there is something to be said!
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Post by podunkheaven on Sept 4, 2011 20:17:58 GMT -6
Price does have something to do with this....1200.00 is crazy. And the breeder is all about the money if they advertise their dogs at these prices, people pay these prices because they have no clue what is too much. Like I said Clifford there are breeders out there that shouldn't be breeding ever...can we stop them...NO. I love the breed and will continue...on my Dime...to help the breed when I can.
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Post by Clifford on Sept 4, 2011 20:26:45 GMT -6
I see other dogs selling for a lot more than that!
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Post by joyates on Sept 4, 2011 20:29:52 GMT -6
Don't even get me started.......
They had been using the dog for blood trailing!! And then it said that her husband didn't want to take the dog anymore because it was agressive towards some of the hunters. This is one of the problems, instead of dealing with the issue, it is easier to leave the dog at home.
My dogs bloodtrail, but the other 8 months out of the year, they are pretty much pets! They are chasing lizards, squirrels, and herding horses, barking at anyone and anything that moves, but then they are laying around being lazy, as well.
Camo, everyone doesn't see things the same way that you do, and believe it or not, they are entitled to have a different opinion. Sorry, but you don't make the rules!!
I understand that you don't like it, but don't think you will be able to change it. You just seem to always be slamming people that might have a lacy for a pet, and it is that person's right, whether you agree with it or not!
Sorry, I should have probably kept my comments to myself, but all lacys are not working lacys 12 months out of the year and have no agression issues whatsoever. I'm done!
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Post by podunkheaven on Sept 4, 2011 21:14:38 GMT -6
We as lacy owners and breeders should help folks when they ask for it. If someone ask for help it shows they are smart enough to know they need help. Those of us breeders, or anyone with a geniune concern for the breed, should use our experience to help them. Otherwise we look like we a snobs and have no compassion for the breed. That is why we have rescues. I believe that is how this thread first got started. It was a request for help from a lady who loved her dog but was having training issues she didn't know how to correct. So she came here...and ask for help.
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Post by camo on Sept 4, 2011 21:21:28 GMT -6
Cynthia no you can not stop it but I refuse to sit back and say that you will not stop it . That is not the ethical thing to do if you are about trying to persevere the breed as a working breed. I know its easier to just turn your head and say you can not stop it but I do not believe in saying there is no solution. In my opinion that is whats wrong with the world today turn your head and look away . JMO
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Post by camo on Sept 4, 2011 21:33:27 GMT -6
So Mr. Yates you think breeders just selling Lacy's to any old folks is a good thing ? I just ask the question of the dogs situation what was it bought for and being used for . If that is forcing my opinions on other folks then Please let me apologize for a fending you. That was not at all my intention but let me make it clear to you . I do not force my opinions on anyone nor do I expect them to see things my way.None of my statement was directed at reputable breeders or owners. I like anyone else has a right to voice what I think but that is all it is my opinion.I read back here and it appears everyone voiced there opinion all over every fourm so why have you chose to single me out ? Yet you want to get on here and tell me I do not make the rules . I do not think I said anything about making any rules so not sure where that is coming from .It seems to me you have a issue with me personally. I do not think I have ever made a negative comment towards you or your dogs ever. If you have a problem with me for any reason I would be happy to take a phone call from you so we can talk it out. I am not a unreasonable person by any means . My dogs do not work 12 months out of the year and one of my dogs is a blood trail dog also and in the off season she is a pet. You are making a lot of accusation towards me and you do not even know me or my dogs . Have I done something to wards you personally that would make you come at me like this ? If so please let me give you my sincere apology . I also would like to see were else I have slammed folks all the time about having pet Lacy's . If you could copy and paste these comments please , to back up your statement about that comment . So that being said what is your solution to the problem of all these Lacy's showing up in shelters and needing to be re homed ?
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Post by podunkheaven on Sept 4, 2011 21:35:54 GMT -6
John you know me better than that. I always turn my head towards this breed. Have I sold puppies to folks who didn't tell me the truth...yes...and I went and picked them up. I can't control all breeders. Nor can any one Assoc or Registry. All I am saying is after the fact we all have to participate in fixing the problem as well as trying our best to control the problem. I don't care who bred the dog that is in trouble, if I can help that dog...I will. I wouldn't be a dog trainer worth her salt if I didn't.
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Post by camo on Sept 4, 2011 22:00:44 GMT -6
Cynthia yes I know you and I know what you have done for the breed and for me .I was not directing to wards you or anyone persons you know that. I agree that after the fact all we can do is help those dogs . My point was is why are we not asking questions like were these dogs are coming from are we afraid of the answer . No one ever asks the question of who was your breeder.
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Post by camo on Sept 4, 2011 22:04:17 GMT -6
Clifford my boss just bought a English bull dog for 5000.00 dollars . He wanted one of my dogs but I declined to sell him one because he left his shizu out in a small pen in his front yard with no water all day it died . His neighbor who breeds bull dogs knows this yet still sold him a dog . Go figure $$$$$$
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Post by podunkheaven on Sept 4, 2011 22:24:49 GMT -6
I didn't take anything u said personal. There are plenty of breeders that have no place breeding I certainly agree. But who they are has no baring today...because there will always be more tomorrow and the next day. This is the sad truth. I am just trying to reflect from another perspective after the fact.
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