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Post by bluedog on Feb 6, 2011 13:25:01 GMT -6
thats good to hear John. Breeding a litter is always such an adventure...never know exactly what you will get and theres usually always a great surprise within each litter.
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Post by camo on Feb 6, 2011 13:31:53 GMT -6
I think its a great topic to talk about . Betty is Patch your dog would like to see some pictures of him .
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Post by bluedog on Feb 6, 2011 13:53:01 GMT -6
my hounds are from Betty Leeks Lucy and Jimmys Bull.
Rebecca put a couple of pis of my guys on here yesterday or this morning. The blue dog is Kash (my sons) and the tri is Cooper (mine) Structurally the tri is a much nicer hound than the blue, however when you get profile pics of the blue he has a nice head.
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Post by homerunbetty on Feb 6, 2011 16:29:45 GMT -6
Camo: When you say "Betty", are you asking me about Patch? If so, my "call name" is Homerunbetty." That's not my real name.
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Post by camo on Feb 6, 2011 16:49:58 GMT -6
Yes HRB I am a Lazy typer ! Sorry yes your Patch was who I was referring too . Not sure I have ever seen pictures of him . Secret my real name is not camo either do not tell anyone . Just kidding it is camo . LOL
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Post by Clifford on Feb 6, 2011 16:53:39 GMT -6
Ferrell, the toy breeds are all about the same size, because the difference is in proportion to the overall size of the dog...
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Post by camo on Feb 6, 2011 16:55:33 GMT -6
Sorry Clifford for got we were talking about size ! Seems to always come down to that these days !
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Post by bluedog on Feb 6, 2011 17:23:49 GMT -6
Camo...not to steal HRBs thunder, she bred her dog Chari to Jimmys dog Patch.
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Post by homerunbetty on Feb 6, 2011 18:55:18 GMT -6
Thanks Bluedog...yes, I bred Chari to Jimmy's Patch. They produced an AWESOME litter!!!!
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Post by rebeccaferrell on Feb 6, 2011 19:08:29 GMT -6
this topic has been at the heart of many a good debate. ..I think TLGDa's standard is 18-23..That's a small spread of inches when you plunk females and males in there together. Okay..take a look at breeds other than toys and see what the spread is between the sexes. You will not find them the same. Actually no where close to the same. I don't think it's a bad thing to have lacys built for hogs and some for herding. I'll make the analogy with horses. You can have a breed..say Quarter horse..some are built for cutting, some for roping, racing, jumping, etc. THEY are not all built alike and are not used for the same purpose. But if you want to stick to breeding cutters than you breed that body style. Like Cynthia says..function follows form.
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Post by bluedog on Feb 6, 2011 19:49:43 GMT -6
part of my idea with this other than my own personal preference for the smaller hound, I think that 23 inches is not a medium size dog. To me it falls in the big dog catagory. Like I said...to me.
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Post by Scott on Feb 6, 2011 20:44:34 GMT -6
I can tell you a few old tree hound strains that have accomplished this. Burton Oney's turkey ridge line, Finley River kennel, are a couple. these breeders spent decades perfecting them. It's not done in one breeding. It's done by planing years of breeding in what you like, and out traits you don't. Ability should always be a distant #1 priority. In those instances Burton Oney bred the dogs smaller, the Finley river pack was standardized as a mid size hound. There became no separation in size as they were refined. There were several more strains of the breeds that were very large hounds.
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Post by bluedog on Feb 6, 2011 21:31:04 GMT -6
I agree with you Scott....it can not be done in a single breeding or two. Thats really what my question was based on...is there anyone out there who is attempting this in their breeding program? I am not familiar with the lines you mentioned, are they lacy lines or another breed?
This has been a discussion in the past without resolve. I really do not expect one this time around either, I was more curious is anyone attempting this. Generally what I have seen is folks have a male and female and breed their own, which theres nothing wrong with that. In the breeds I have been a$$ociated with in the past it seemed that breeders worked pretty well with one another to fix things within the breed and sent their male or female out for breedings. This was not a fix all remedy in itsself, some breedings worked well others not so much. Im sure it happens in the lacy world, Im just not aware of breeders sending their dogs to other breeders.
I hope this continues in the spirit in which I meant when I first posted the question.
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Post by camo on Feb 6, 2011 22:02:54 GMT -6
Well it is my goal to produce and my program to work towards smaller dogs . It is more difficult to get what you want when you are required to breed 3 and 4 generations out IMO . It will take your program a lot longer to see your efforts at that rate again IMO. I think you have to be able to try different things and go out and breed outside your own lines unless you plan to have 20 dogs .
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Post by Clifford on Feb 6, 2011 22:25:44 GMT -6
Trying to establish type, and also using so many different dogs is futile, or at the least an extremely long term project. When you see what you want, and you cannot breed it back in because you have wait for generations, you lose the best shot you have at making it happen.
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